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does he identify with chuck hagel? both have seen the bitter pill they've had to swallow from their own party. >> look, relationships matter a lot in the senate. this is a situation where a republican has really frayed relations with many members in his own party because of the stances he took in iraq and on other issues. remember, tamron, a lot of these republican senators who voted against him didn't serve with chuck hagel. it's a very new, younger republican conference. they really only know him from the anti-iraq positions that he took, as well as some of the other thing he's did, such as endorsing deb fisher's opponent. >> to that point, roger, the senator was on msnbc earlier today. here what's he said. it has nothing to do with the personal issues laid out by senator mccain. let me play it. >> this doesn't have anything to do with a grudge. this has something to do with picking the best person to be the leader of the largest defense organization in the world. he's not the right guy for dod. he's well to the left
does he identify with chuck hagel? both have seen the bitter pill they've had to swallow from their own party. >> look, relationships matter a lot in the senate. this is a situation where a republican has really frayed relations with many members in his own party because of the stances he took in iraq and on other issues. remember, tamron, a lot of these republican senators who voted against him didn't serve with chuck hagel. it's a very new, younger republican conference. they really...
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president, don't pick chuck hagel. he is not the right guy for d.o.d. he is well to the left of the policies of the obama administration during the first four years. so basically here's the problem. there has been a bipartisan mainstream support for national security, for our middle east policy dating back to 1978 with jimmy carter for israel, for our approach to iran, and chuck hagel has made a career out of being outside of that mainstream. engaging in hyperbole and all sorts of edgy statements. now we're to believe that he is part of the great mainstream. i just don't believe that. we're saying we need more time for information. it's not right to report the candidate on tuesday, file cloture the next day and say somehow we have to close this thing out two days after the report. >> which is didn't didn't -- >> we had found other speeches the other day that had not been disclosed. >> which is consistent with republicans' request to put the vote on hold is what you are saying earlier on. >> you had laid out your thinking fairly quickly in an op ed in po
president, don't pick chuck hagel. he is not the right guy for d.o.d. he is well to the left of the policies of the obama administration during the first four years. so basically here's the problem. there has been a bipartisan mainstream support for national security, for our middle east policy dating back to 1978 with jimmy carter for israel, for our approach to iran, and chuck hagel has made a career out of being outside of that mainstream. engaging in hyperbole and all sorts of edgy...
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bush, is really upset because chuck hagel compared w. with herbert hoover? you are republicans trying to subvert the foreign policy of the united states over an old and bitter grudge? let's bring in ari melber and democrat strategist julian ep sto epstein. what is senator mccain's problem? is he trying to defend a mode okur president bush or is he trying to defend a failed war in iraq? >> i think it's more iraq where we know senator mccain has long stood by our presence there and adding troops there, but bottom line if you take this as the mccain filibuster standard, then no one in any democratic administration ever gets a vote because, guess what? a lot of them have good faith and i think well-grounded disagreements with george w. bush. so this cannot be the standard. it's not defensible on its own terms and that's the problem. they are erecting a supermajority hurdle for all of this legislation and all of these nominees. this is an old problem from the way the republicans have been acting and it doesn't stand up because by this standard again you would not
bush, is really upset because chuck hagel compared w. with herbert hoover? you are republicans trying to subvert the foreign policy of the united states over an old and bitter grudge? let's bring in ari melber and democrat strategist julian ep sto epstein. what is senator mccain's problem? is he trying to defend a mode okur president bush or is he trying to defend a failed war in iraq? >> i think it's more iraq where we know senator mccain has long stood by our presence there and adding...
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hagel is an honorable man. he has served his country and no one on this committee at any time should impugn his character or his integrity. >> we're going to to some of cruz's mccarthyite statements in the next segment. tuesday night, hours matter, mccain introduced a new wrinkle with senators graham and eye yot. he wrote a letter to the white house requesting more information about the white house did during the benghazi attack. he told foreign policy magazine, quote, we need to know what the president's conversations were. i would vote no on cloture on thursday unless the information is provided. by tuesday -- actually by yesterday which almost every day of the week he's changed his mind, the white house had responded to his satisfaction but he still didn't vote for cloture. he still wouldn't vote to bring this matter of hagel's confirmation up to a vote and here is his latest. let's watch. >> there are still questions outstanding. i believe that senators have the right to have those questions answered. senat
hagel is an honorable man. he has served his country and no one on this committee at any time should impugn his character or his integrity. >> we're going to to some of cruz's mccarthyite statements in the next segment. tuesday night, hours matter, mccain introduced a new wrinkle with senators graham and eye yot. he wrote a letter to the white house requesting more information about the white house did during the benghazi attack. he told foreign policy magazine, quote, we need to know...
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. >>> and delaying the vote on chuck hagel. we'll show you why john mccain says why republicans have it in for the nominee. >>> the karn vil cruise ship, at lost last returned to port last night with little power, few working bathrooms. there was a collective sigh of relief from the more than 3,000 passengers. but even leaving the "triumph" proved difficult. with one working elevators, it took fours to disembark. nbc's mark potter joins us live from mobile, alabama, passengers are off the ship, mark from talking to them what is the lasting image that you're going to have of this endeavor. >> well, it's very clear, they're very glad to be off that ship and on terra firma. people were along the ralgs cheering when it come to dock. most said that the living conditions after that engine fire just got increasingly worse and became unbearable. maybe said the worst time was right after the engine fire because they didn't know what was going on. they hadn't been fully informed and that scared them. as we heard at the beginning of the p
. >>> and delaying the vote on chuck hagel. we'll show you why john mccain says why republicans have it in for the nominee. >>> the karn vil cruise ship, at lost last returned to port last night with little power, few working bathrooms. there was a collective sigh of relief from the more than 3,000 passengers. but even leaving the "triumph" proved difficult. with one working elevators, it took fours to disembark. nbc's mark potter joins us live from mobile, alabama,...
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so it's clearly not about hagel, it's about obama. you're absolutely right. >> and to drive the point further, he once shared similar views on issues with the president. but, now, he's flip-flopping, even though he's shared though views. so he wouldn't agree with the president anymore. he changed. he flip-flopped on tax cuts under president bush. mccain actually opposed tax cuts for the wealthiment but under president obama, he says those bush tax cuts should stay. on repealing don't ask, don't tell, under bush, mckaicain supported the repeal of don"don ask, don't tell". on the dream act, mccain sponsored three versions of the dream act urn president bush. but under president obama, he opposed the dream act. so all of this flip-flopping on things you used to agree with but anything the president is for, if his name is obama, you're against. this is very, very petty. >> and on global warming, remember, the mccain lieberman plan was a good plan and mccain december disallowed that when obama became president. >> no, there's no doubt abou
so it's clearly not about hagel, it's about obama. you're absolutely right. >> and to drive the point further, he once shared similar views on issues with the president. but, now, he's flip-flopping, even though he's shared though views. so he wouldn't agree with the president anymore. he changed. he flip-flopped on tax cuts under president bush. mccain actually opposed tax cuts for the wealthiment but under president obama, he says those bush tax cuts should stay. on repealing don't ask,...
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senator lee bright is the problem for chuck hagel. he is the guy that is maybe going to give lindsey graham a primary chal epg, governor rendell. lindsay graham has been having meetings with the tea partiers, the club for growth. he is intent on solidifying the political base because he is worried about the next election, and if lindsey graham wasn't so worried, maybe there would be more bipartisanship in the upper chamber, and maybe all these legislative -- this kabuk eh dance would never happen brsh. >> that's a hard thinking to do anything about. we had a chance to do something about a procedure that is dysfunctional and basically flawed, and we democrats took a pass on it. i go back to that. we're responsible for this. as to glen's point, glen, i brae agree with you. this was an isolated incident. it's not that big a deal. it's playing out at the same time when you have the head of the nra absolutely delivering one of the most racial overtone insane -- >> screeds, i have seen. not one republican standing up and saying this guy is
senator lee bright is the problem for chuck hagel. he is the guy that is maybe going to give lindsey graham a primary chal epg, governor rendell. lindsay graham has been having meetings with the tea partiers, the club for growth. he is intent on solidifying the political base because he is worried about the next election, and if lindsey graham wasn't so worried, maybe there would be more bipartisanship in the upper chamber, and maybe all these legislative -- this kabuk eh dance would never...
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do i care if chuck hagel is running the pentagon? as far as i can tell, no one has done much in congress to sort of sort that out. >> and the one thing that job, is a policymaker. that is not the person who decides whether we go to war but takes the orders from the white house about how to implement it. that is not the person who decides what our relationship is with any other foreign country. those issues belong in other jobs. that's what they made the whole hearing about. >> no, absolutely. and even their fixation on benghazi is located in state. they went after hillary clinton -- >> 100%. >> that has nothing to do with this job either. at the end of the day i started out says, confirm chuck hagel. he was an enlisted man, fought in vietnam. i'm saying, i don't know why i support him because it hasn't been about him at all. >> joy reed and chris hayes. thank you for joining me tonight. >>> coming up, wane lapierre, i'll be joined in rebuttal, by someone who is on the nra's enemy list. >>> and in the "rewrite tonight" if there was no
do i care if chuck hagel is running the pentagon? as far as i can tell, no one has done much in congress to sort of sort that out. >> and the one thing that job, is a policymaker. that is not the person who decides whether we go to war but takes the orders from the white house about how to implement it. that is not the person who decides what our relationship is with any other foreign country. those issues belong in other jobs. that's what they made the whole hearing about. >> no,...
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chuck hagel. >> chuck hagel. >> i support hagel, but, you know, hagel, a lot of times, was a real tough guy to deal with in the united states senate. and he's getting paid back. but cruz is doing this hitting the ground running. wait till he needs something for texas. and if he's putting a hold and he's excited by that power, there are 99 other senators that could put a hold on anything that he wants. he's in a small boat. he just doesn't realize it yet. >> sure. and the effectiveness of the opposite approach, as andrea pointed out, is evident by what hillary clinton did in the senate. if hillary clinton had come in and said i'm a big deal, i'm a former first lady, get out of my way, she would have been much less effective for new york and for the nation than she turned out to be. she turned out to be a great senator because she understood that. >> mike, i want to get to one other topic you're writing about today. looks like cory booker, newark mayor, has a clear path to the democratic nomination to senate in new jersey because yesterday senator frank lautenberg announced that he will n
chuck hagel. >> chuck hagel. >> i support hagel, but, you know, hagel, a lot of times, was a real tough guy to deal with in the united states senate. and he's getting paid back. but cruz is doing this hitting the ground running. wait till he needs something for texas. and if he's putting a hold and he's excited by that power, there are 99 other senators that could put a hold on anything that he wants. he's in a small boat. he just doesn't realize it yet. >> sure. and the...
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there are 18 americans who will be given the medal. >>> plus, blocking hagel. the republicans have left the republican without his choice for defense secretary. that's next. and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. more "likes." more tweets. so, beginning today, my son brock and his whole team will be our new senior social media strategists. any questions? since we make radiator valves wouldn't it be better if we just let fedex help us to expand to new markets? hmm gotta admit that's better than a few "likes." i don't have the door code. who's that? he won a contest online to be ceo for the day. how am i supposed to run a business here
there are 18 americans who will be given the medal. >>> plus, blocking hagel. the republicans have left the republican without his choice for defense secretary. that's next. and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the...
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chuck hagel watching this. the president is not going to get forced to pull back on this. >> he got re-elected and he wants his guy. the guy he wants is someone he's sympa sympatico with. he'll have to deal with these republicans who have this personal vendetta against him. he does carry this baggage. and i think these performance issues have not helped. his performance in his confirmation hearing did not make people inside the white house more confident about him. but, again, second term presidents, their level of confidence, who they want for the reasons they want them carry the day. >> john mccain, we saw all sides of him this week. there was the john mccain who told ted cruz, hey, you've gone too far. then there was the john mccain who went and decided to filibuster his former friend. and then there was the john mccain who was basically totally honest about why he's really -- he didn't say why he was opposing him, but explained why so many republican senators -- >> and it undercuts the benghazi arguments. i
chuck hagel watching this. the president is not going to get forced to pull back on this. >> he got re-elected and he wants his guy. the guy he wants is someone he's sympa sympatico with. he'll have to deal with these republicans who have this personal vendetta against him. he does carry this baggage. and i think these performance issues have not helped. his performance in his confirmation hearing did not make people inside the white house more confident about him. but, again, second term...
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he had this to say about why republicans are obstructing hagel's nomination. >> senator hagel's main transgression is that he is a republican who has questioned policies that are sacred among most conservative senators. the intensity of opposition that the senator is encountering is grounded in the resentments of some conservatives inside and outside the senate who regard his independent thinking as political blasphemy for which he should not be rewarded. >> senator, you know the senate now. this is your second term. can you read it? is there going to be a vote to try to get cloture to end this filibuster when you come back on monday after this monday? >> well, that's what's so sad about this game. everyone voting today knows that chuck hagel is going to be confirmed. in fact, there are a number of people who have made commitments that they will, in fact, vote for cloture when we return. so this is some kind of grandstanding that goes on. i'm confident he'll get the votes when we return, and he will take his place as secretary of state. but he is going to miss the nato conference nex
he had this to say about why republicans are obstructing hagel's nomination. >> senator hagel's main transgression is that he is a republican who has questioned policies that are sacred among most conservative senators. the intensity of opposition that the senator is encountering is grounded in the resentments of some conservatives inside and outside the senate who regard his independent thinking as political blasphemy for which he should not be rewarded. >> senator, you know the...
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none of this has satisfied those leading the witch hunt against chuck hagel. during a google hangout this afternoon the president weighed in on the first ever filibuster of a secretary of defense nominee. >> it's just unfortunate that this kind of politics intrudes at a time when i'm still presiding over a war in afghanistan and i need a secretary of defense who is coordinating with our allies to make sure that our troops are getting the kind of strategy and mission that they deserve. >> all right. let's go to the big panel tonight. let's turn to bloomberg view columnist jonathan alter with us. also michelle goldberg of "newsweek" and the daily beast. and david corn of "mother jones" magazine. great to have all of you with us. jonathan, you first tonight. is this unprecedented filibuster a sign that the senate is totally broken? what do you make of what unfolded today? >> well, i just think it's a really unfortunate signal that the united states is sending to the world when as the president indicated you have, you know, conflicts abroad. and for us to say that
none of this has satisfied those leading the witch hunt against chuck hagel. during a google hangout this afternoon the president weighed in on the first ever filibuster of a secretary of defense nominee. >> it's just unfortunate that this kind of politics intrudes at a time when i'm still presiding over a war in afghanistan and i need a secretary of defense who is coordinating with our allies to make sure that our troops are getting the kind of strategy and mission that they deserve....
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this is about hagel. what i find interesting, it was funny to hear john mccain say you are so anti-bush, and i wonder if there are a bunch of bush first term folks saying you remember a republican senator who used to say some anti-bush things. >> and just a quick note, chris calizza, the fact that frank -- what people expected him to do, which was to step down, he is the last world war ii veteran -- >> 89. >> 89 years old. as kelly points out. cory booker's presumptions, some some would say certainly latuenberg camp to presume that will he is -- is cory booker a shoe-in or is frank palone got some play with the democratic party, and is there really a primary? >> i think there will be a primary. i think at least initially frank palone is in the race. i think the pressure is he certainly has a certain amount of money. can he raise money against booker, who we expect will be able to raise money? i would say cory booker is prohibitive favorite maybe overstating that he is clearly a favorite. we have to see ho
this is about hagel. what i find interesting, it was funny to hear john mccain say you are so anti-bush, and i wonder if there are a bunch of bush first term folks saying you remember a republican senator who used to say some anti-bush things. >> and just a quick note, chris calizza, the fact that frank -- what people expected him to do, which was to step down, he is the last world war ii veteran -- >> 89. >> 89 years old. as kelly points out. cory booker's presumptions, some...
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but they are blocking chuck hagel. leon panetta has said his good-byes, had his going away ceremonies. but they are not letting him leave now. because they don't now how long republican senators are going to keep filibustering. nobody knows. we have no idea how long it will take. one of the reasons it seems not awesome to not have the leadership in place in our key national security jobs right now is because there is someone inside the u.s. government right now who is leaking things to the press to try to get us to go to war in syria. someone described as an obama administration official started a few weeks ago leaking information to the press that is clearly designed to make it seem like syria has crossed red lines that would require us to get involved in that war. the leaked information is designed to make it seem like syria is using chemical weapons. quote, the official warned if the u.s. does not react strongly to the use of chemical weapons in homes, assad may be emboldened. there is no real proof they're using ch
but they are blocking chuck hagel. leon panetta has said his good-byes, had his going away ceremonies. but they are not letting him leave now. because they don't now how long republican senators are going to keep filibustering. nobody knows. we have no idea how long it will take. one of the reasons it seems not awesome to not have the leadership in place in our key national security jobs right now is because there is someone inside the u.s. government right now who is leaking things to the...
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and this was supposed to be the debut performance of chuck hagel on the world stage. and that is only the first impediment to hagel by this delay and this -- what they claim, the republicans claim is not a filibuster, but by any stretch of the imagination when you have a cloture vote and you get 58 votes and your nominee then cannot get a vote on the floor and they go into recess, that sort of smells luke a filibuster. >> have you heard anything about how people inside the defense department and even the state department, the other national security major agencies, how they're reacting tonight? is there any concern that this holdup is going to project weakness or otherwise be bad for the country? >> i think there's a lot of embarrassment and annoyance, anger. we do have leon panetta. we have ash carter, the deputy defense secretary. so there is leadership. you know, the other sort of incidental but not unimportant victim of all of this is also john brennan's nomination. whatever you think of it. that has also been held up until after the recess. for very good reasons,
and this was supposed to be the debut performance of chuck hagel on the world stage. and that is only the first impediment to hagel by this delay and this -- what they claim, the republicans claim is not a filibuster, but by any stretch of the imagination when you have a cloture vote and you get 58 votes and your nominee then cannot get a vote on the floor and they go into recess, that sort of smells luke a filibuster. >> have you heard anything about how people inside the defense...